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A Conversation with Gangaji

Therapy and Self-Realization. Where one Ends and the Other Begins
February 19, 2014,
Episode 17

It goes without saying that great value can be found in therapy and other forms of self-inspection. There is huge relief in facing our dark sides, healing our deeper wounds and finally feeling emotions we have been running from. But is there a way that we can work on ourselves and still miss the deeper freedom that we are actually in search of? Our conversation this month is, where does therapy end and and self-realization begin?

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